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thats a horrible thing to do
ur amp ur body up on caffeine where ur heart is pumping faster, and then u workout, seriously, u trying to kill urself?
thats a gym rule, rule #343251335, dont break that commandment and dont kill urself
eh... i dont know about that.
i know plenty of super ripped guys that take some form of stimulant before going to the gym.
hydroxycut, N.O., that redline stuff basically tells you to take it before a workout.
ok hes not gonna literally kill himself, unless he had a heart condition
but it is a BAD move to take energy drinks prior to a workout, that is a FACT
says who? like im sure theres schools of thought against it, and depending on what you want to achieve it might throw off your goals: like say you want to gain mass then it would be kinda dumb to do that. but to get toned? i dont see what the problem is in moderation.
says who? All the reading I've done on the topic
its what Ive read, and if those trainers/nutritionists/doctors who've contributed to those articles are wrong, then by all means, Im wrong, but Ill trust their research over a hunch
and it has nothing to do with mass or getting toned, it has to do with the affect working out combined with a stimulant has on the heart
by the same token how combining redbull and vodka is bad for your heart
Any links or citations or sources?
My understanding is that most of these energy drinks have the same active ingredients as fat burners: caffeine and caffeine alternatives like green tea, guarana, or our old friend ephedrine.
And most fat burners tell you they will not work efficiently if you don't exercise while you take them.
Redbull and Vodka isn't the same thing, because one is a strong stimulant and the other is a stronger downer.
I get the majority of my info from magazines I subscribe to, Mens Health, Mens Fitness, etc, but heres a quick google search
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"Skip the energy drinks. Most are loaded with caffeine, which makes your heart race. That's not a smart thing to have, going into a workout. And don't eat just before a workout. A light snack about two hours before you hit the gym is OK."
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"If these drinks have a low sugar or sugar free variety, there is another problem you need to be aware of. The artificial chemicals which artificial sweeteners are made of are harmful to your system. Another problem with artificial sweeteners is that many researchers have shown that they lead people to consume more calories without realising it, leading to more weight gain long term. This is a whole new discussion so I won't go into much more detail in this article, but you should trust me that chemicals in your food are never a good idea.
Ok so what does the caffeine do? Many people believe that caffeine gives them energy but this is not really the case. The only real thing that can provide is the calories from protein, fat and carbs. Caffeine is however used as a pep up or to wake people up, it does this through the stimulation of the central nervous system, and does this at a cost to your system requiring more rest to recover. We should remember however, that the more you drink caffeine the less "energy" you will get from it anyway.
If you want to get some caffeine, you can use a more natural source like tea (green, white or oolong). These teas also provide beneficial antioxidants.
Now let's take a look at the formula using b-vitamins and the amino acid taurine in these drinks. Taurine is not particularly unique you can get it from almost any protein source, and the majority of b-vitamins just make for yellow urine. Vitamins are always best obtained from real natural food, they are not properly used when added artificially to foods and drinks.
As you can now see, I believe you should never use these drinks. If you are looking for more energy it would be better to make your own using iced teas (green, white or oolong), a bit of 100% pure berry or pomegranate juice and you might use some non-denatured whey protein."
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"Weight-Training Dummy Trait #4: Drinking Carbonated Beverages at the Gym
I saw a guy drinking Sunkist orange soda at the gym on 7/17/08. I kid you not. In between sets he was sipping on his Sunkist. I wanted to get the Heineken cartoon guys together to say, “Brilliant!”
The sugar, the carbonation (direct attack on lung capacity over the short-term!). Yikes. Some of you are thinking, “I can’t believe a guy drank Sunkist” as you sip on your carbonated energy drink. Seriously folks, carbonation is bad news…carbonated water, soda, carbonated energy drinks, beer. If you cut carbonation out of your life for a month, you would be amazed at how much easier you could breathe. Try it!"
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"It is a very common misconception to think that losing weight and weight training are mutually exclusive. Especially if you are a beginner to weight training, you can do both. In fact, you should do both since both elements are critical to physical health.
Quoting: Funkly
Eric, Gatorade has lots of sugar from what I understand, and why is it conterintutive to drink an energy drink in the morning?
It is counterintuitive because energy drinks give you quick carb energy. Unless you have a need to burn it right away (such as in the gym), the sugars will simply convert to fat. This is the same reason why you don't consume anything really sweet. Most of the time you want carb sources that are slow to digest, to make your body work hard for them.
About energy problem while working out, the issue is very real because in order to burn fat, you need some sugar in your blood. The fat burning mechanism involves sugars, and if you are already completely sugar deprived before a workout, you are going to feel tired because your body is in starvation mode. When it's starving, the body will literally tear down muscle cells to get the sugars. Assuming you have enough raw motivation to not cave in to the fatigue in the first place, the workout will still be a lot of pain with very little gain, since you won't be able to keep a high intensity, muscle cells lost (more muscles you have, the more you burn per day just by being alive), and you burn less fat too.
I cannot emphasize enough that an energy drink for me is a LAST RESORT. I normally eat fruit, whole wheat grains, or a health bar about 30-60 minutes before a weight training workout, and about 60-90 minutes before a cardio workout. If I do both in one session, always weight training first before cardio.
For mornings to get your energy up consume any of the following:
fruit, oatmeal, bran flakes, multi-grain bread, all-bran buds, whole wheat tortillas"
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"Carb/Sport Drinks are OK Before, During and After a Workout: This could be titled instead “don’t believe everything you see on TV or read in advertisements”. If you look around you would think that you need Gatorade all day long (did you know they have an AM version? Are you kidding me?). So you have people working hard on a bike, rowing machine, treadmill (whatever) and then drinking a sugar drink for more energy? Ok, if you are an athlete and are training for increased endurance or power during a 3 hour workout and need ongoing fuel, then maybe you need something….but if you are the average person trying to burn fat and pumping sugar into your body in the process…..you are somehow expecting the rules of fat burning to not apply to you! Forget the workout drinks, drink some water and go burn some fat instead…..well that is only if your diet is also on target to allow you to."
I'm sure theres more but I believe in eating right and drinking water
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"The new energy drinks out are exceptionally high in sugar (they border on being syrups) and hence contain huge amounts of energy; a problem for weight loss. Nonetheless, it has been shown that the caffeine and taurine in these drinks can help heavy weightlifters with a small energy burst for such things as weightlifting competitions. Because the osmolarity of these drinks is very high (osmolarity means the amount of water a substance absorbs from another), they actually dehydrate you. In addition, the caffeine in these energy drinks is a diuretic (which makes you want to pass urine more frequently), and this can be a dangerous combination for endurance athletes or regular people who do not drink enough water. Even the sugar free energy drinks contain stimuli in them that can adversely affect your nervous system in the short term for sensitive people. So our advice is to use these drinks very sparingly on special occasions!"
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"If your goal is to lose weight or train harder, and you’re drinking Rockstar, Red Bull, or Go Fast, then you’re out of your mind. These energy drinks that you find in your local convenience stores and bars are so full of sugar and empty calories you might as well be drinking a soda with a caffeine pill thrown in.
Do you know how much sugar these drinks actually have in them? Rockstar Energy Drink: 200 Calories, 48 grams of carbohydrates, and 46 grams or sugar. Red Bull: 160 Calories, 40 grams of carbohydrates, and 39 grams of sugar. Go Fast: 90 Calories, 23 grams of carbohydrates, and 21 grams or sugar.
Even if you’re not into fitness, you shouldn’t make a habit out of drinking these kinds of energy drinks. They have great marketing gimmicks to make you think that they’re not that bad for you, but they really are. "
LOL I actually read through those and the second commentator is the only one that takes a pseudo-scientific approach. He actually talks about the ingredients involved and I agree with him on Taurine, but notice how he makes the point at the end: "have tea, preferrably green tea" AKA a caffeine alternative.
The rest end up just saying "try not to have alot of sugar."
I'm guessing you just a quick search something like "energy drinks work out bad" haha, which would end up with almost all negative comments about them.
Sure you are by buying cases of Rockstar off Amazon!I'm sure theres more but I believe in eating right and drinking water
Seriously, though the only reason I make point about this stuff is that because a lot of it is alarmist goobley gook. It's the same kind of scare tactics they used with ephedrine to get it banned. One baseball player that takes an abundance during an 6 hour on field workout dies and all of sudden there's an EPIDEMIC!
Well I thought I did write before hand that that WAS a quick google search, and this is exactly what I googled, "energy drinks" and working out gym weight lifting
listen, believe what you want, I actually workout regularly and take it seriously, so it is speaking for first hand experience, which is a lot more than the majority of the people on this site can say when talking about any of many subjects, if I had access to medical journals Id post those for so you can have your scientific answers
Well the rockstars I drink my friend are 20 calories with no sugar or carbs, not to mention the 5 meals I eat per day while counting calories, slightly obsessive, yep, but like I said, I take my health and physique seriously
sippin on a mango orange passion fruit rockstar right now..my favoritee
all yall niggas trynna be the king but the ACE is back!
I mean I guess Men's Fitness (with all those sex products and penis enlargement ads in the back) = Medical Journal...
And I guess you working out regularly and obsessively = complete knowledge about what anything health related...
By the way anorexics workout regularly, calorie count obsessively too and I wouldn't be taking health advice from them.
Sarcasm aside, I don't see why you are quite defensive about this? I just question the idea that "IT'S FACT" when it's really not even close to a fact. It's theory at best.
You're a pretty skinny guy, you've always been pretty skinny right? It's not like you went from 200lbs to 150lbs. Or any drastic change in weight/muscle. You put a few pounds, but you're relatively about the same as you were a few years ago. I don't doubt you're in shape, you are. But it's not you're totally ripped or anything.
I don't work out, but I know enough gym nuts and MMA-wannabes to know what works and what doesn't. I've seen guys go from 150 lbs to 190 lbs in solid muscle in a matter of months.
lol no dude, the only point was that I have some first hand knowledge, whether thru personal experience or viagra riddled magazines, while ur knowledge is based off of gym nuts and MMA-wannabes
and I did lose 20lbs of excess, I went from extremely skinny, to putting on 20lbs of weight all over, but most noticeably in the gut and face cheeks, to how I am now, which just about everyone I know says is kind of a drastic change
anyways, believe what you want, I dont see it as a theory when I've seen it in practice, so to me its fact, for you it can be a theory, since thats all you have on this topic
lol..your completely off..weight lifting is, for the most part, anaerobic..you dont huff and puff when lifting weights..you huff and puff when you do cardio..and besides..caffeine/taurine/etc cause vasoconstriction of blood vessels, increasing the amount of blood flow and blood pressure, which in turn sends more blood throughout your body..including your muscles..in essence your increasing the amount of oxygen getting to crucial parts of your body (during a work out that would be your muscles)
think about NaNO x9, nano vapor, NO xplode...all are preworkout stimulants to get blood flowing faster
I'm completely off? Dont think so chief, I've done my research, you do it your way, I'll do it my way, if you need to get your blood flowing faster and need a energy drink as your stimulant to do it, then go ahead, not a healthy way to go about it
You still towing this line of "first hand experience" because you gained and lost 20 lbs? LOL!
Niggah I've gained close to 40 lbs and lost it and gained it again. I have plenty of first hand experience. I just don't care enough to keep up with it. But I don't even count that shit because that's just ME. I can't advise people what I have experience on myself because that's a consensus of 1, and that's useless because what works for me does not mean it will work for everyone.
I just love you peddle bullshit as fact.
lol ya dude, cuz its something different than you do
"I don't work out, but I know enough gym nuts and MMA-wannabes to know what works and what doesn't."
I'm out of this topic, niggah LOL
Ya I am honest enough to say I don't go to the gym, because I don't care enough.
That's better than "I actually workout regularly and take it seriously... obsessively" yet have very little results to show for it.
By the way, nice way to totally disregard Vipa's scientifically sound post lolz.
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